Changes: Forum:Netherlands subdivisions

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User:Rtol has progressed the genealogy of the Netherlands to the stage of having "Born in" categories that are linked from Wikipedia. Seems to me it's time to have our own pages for the dozen provinces and maybe even as many of the 400-odd municipalities.

Wikipedia pages worth noting

Place page names

Some of us like to have the country name added to all place page names. Wikipedia generally doesn't include it unless there is ambiguity. Copying from Wikipedia is much easier if we use exactly the same page names. Any opinions?

Page structure

We can copy Wikipedia's pages exactly at first, as has been done for most English-speaking places that we have. Infoboxes would then want more emphasis on genealogical matters and less on current political leaders and highest points, for example.

"County" series of pages

We already have such pages (particularly categories using templates, such as Template:b-uk, and the main navigation boxes, such as Template:Navbox county-uk) for other countries in Europe. Easy to extend to Netherlands provinces and municipalities. Desirable to sort out the naming conventions first.

Naming should not be an issue in the Netherlands. I suggest that we stick to the current English name, which in most cases is equal to the Dutch name anyway.Rtol 21:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Historical subdivisions

There is an issue here. The provinces are relatively stable, but the municipalities are constantly reorganized. I would therefore keep a list of current municipalities per province, and add previous municipalities under those. For example: Schermer contains Oterleek

Regions are another issue. Provinces are bureaucratic constructs, and people are neutral towards their province. People are passionate about their region. For example, Schermer is a municipality of North Holland, but Oterleek is a village of West Frisia -- and the latter matters to identity and the stories of old. Rtol 21:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

— Robin Patterson (Talk) 23:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

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 =="County" series of pages==
 We already have such pages (particularly categories using templates, such as [[Template:b-uk]], and the main navigation boxes, such as [[Template:Navbox county-uk]]) for other countries in Europe. Easy to extend to Netherlands provinces and municipalities. Desirable to sort out the naming conventions first.
+:Naming should not be an issue in the Netherlands. I suggest that we stick to the current English name, which in most cases is equal to the Dutch name anyway.[[User:Rtol|Rtol]] 21:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 ==Historical subdivisions==
+There is an issue here. The provinces are relatively stable, but the municipalities are constantly reorganized. I would therefore keep a list of current municipalities per province, and add previous municipalities under those. For example:
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+Schermer
+''contains'' Oterleek
+Regions are another issue. Provinces are bureaucratic constructs, and people are neutral towards their province. People are passionate about their region. For example, Schermer is a municipality of North Holland, but Oterleek is a village of West Frisia -- and the latter matters to identity and the stories of old. [[User:Rtol|Rtol]] 21:54, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 — [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] [[User talk:Robin Patterson|(Talk)]] 23:35, 19 January 2009 (UTC)