Your presumed Percy cousins[]

I've done all of the linkages so that you can now work your way down from "your" Earl of Surrey to the Percy family. See the last link in the chain Eleanor de Warenne (1251-1282)/descendants.

Mary Barron[]

Is Mary Barron (1628-1715) the same person as Mary Barron (1632-1716)? Thurstan (talk) 03:11, May 15, 2014 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it is, but I don't know yet which birth year is correct. Let me know which one you prefer to use and I'll update my inbound links accordingly. MainTour (talk) 21:17, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

I don't have a preference (my ignorance about these people is complete), but I feel that from a structural point of view we should merge the two pages, otherwise they will get out of step, and breed confusion. Thurstan (talk) 22:32, May 16, 2014 (UTC)

which "Daniel Warren"[]

We seem to have Rebecca Garfield (1683-1720) listed as the wife of both Daniel Warren (1689-1727) and Daniel Warren (1653-1713). Can you sort this out? Thurstan (talk) 05:59, August 23, 2015 (UTC)

Abraham Rice (1706-1786)[]

Abraham Rice (1706-1786) links to parents who do not link to him. Thurstan (talk) 04:15, August 31, 2015 (UTC)

Rachel Brackett (1639-1725)[]

We have Rachel Brackett (1639-1725) dying on the same date as her husband, while Findagrave says she died 10 years later. Is there a mistake here? "3 Apr 1735" and "7 May 1741" are quoted on WorldConnect. Even "7 May 1748" is mentioned (inter alia) on Familysearch. Thurstan (talk) 21:55, November 19, 2015 (UTC)


Good work upgrading articles.

One of the tricks is to add {{Footer}}, which the standard procedure doesn't add. Sometimes also it's desirable to add {{Siblings}} (deleting the corresponding heading if any).

-- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:22, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

I see I have a long list of non-SMW pages. I've cleared up to the letter "C", but this will take quite awhile yet! MainTour (talk) 16:56, November 29, 2020 (UTC)

Plymouth Colony[]

Familypedia:Plymouth Colony is a little present for you. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:42, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Cool. Thank you! MainTour (talk) 15:47, June 14, 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Thank you. This has been great inspiration and I've used quite extensively. MainTour (talk) 16:56, November 29, 2020 (UTC)

Bishop in Ipswich, MA[]

You may like to look at - my link to a 1901 book with lots of descendants of a prominent Ipswich family. PDF version is 64 pages, apparently with only pictures or blanks until about page 14. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 22:09, June 25, 2016 (UTC)

Help:Merging pages[]

You may like to read the section on merging page histories on the Central Wikia page that Help:Merging pages redirects to. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 22:04, September 27, 2016 (UTC)

Actress Helen Hunt > William White[]

You may like to fill in the line from Helen's great-grandmother Fannie Ella Perry Kibbee (1870-1955) to your old friend William White (1570-1621). It's at I plan to work on other lines of Helen's, back to Charlemagne. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:09, September 29, 2016 (UTC)

I tried to link her to first William White and then to Nathaniel Ball, but neither one of those ancestries panned out. Ran into too much conflicting info with the parentage of John Goss (1749-1820). MainTour (talk) 18:39, September 30, 2016 (UTC)

Plymouth settlement[]

In case you haven't seen it, here's the link to the Boston Globe's article about unearthing clues to Pilgrims' landing:

You can choose which article(s) to attach it to.

-- Robin Patterson (Talk) 22:03, November 26, 2016 (UTC)

I've just updated the Project Mayflower page but it probably needs a bit of input from our expert. And the template seems to be rather short of names - time to update it too? Keep up the great work! -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:29, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

Files from Wikimedia Commons[]

Are you unaware that we do not need to upload files from Wikimedia Commons? They appear automatically just as if they were on Familypedia. Your Howth Castle image seems identical to the one on Commons - - and should probably have been acknowledged as such, but was not necessary. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 21:09, December 6, 2016 (UTC)

Dick Clark has Mayflower ancestors[]

Richard Wagstaff (Dick) Clark (1929). No pressure! -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:48, December 31, 2016 (UTC)

McGhee, Lathrop, and a sixth of a million others[]

I've been working on McGhee family and trying to link our Michael J. McGhee (1964) with the titled ancestors he claims. Some clue around Charles McClung McGhee (1828-1907), and I want to take his paternal line as far as possible. However, some of his other ancestors go away back, on several WorldConnect files and elsewhere.

One of the most fruitful files is illustrated at - descendancy chart is only part of the story, of course, but the "Lathrop" caught my eye. I hope it's of some use to you.

-- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:18, January 28, 2017 (UTC)

"In memoriam"[]

I've given Green Harbor Monument a category so that all of those people can be listed in it alphabetically. Not notable enough for Wikipedia? Well, probably at least as notable as "Alumni of Unnotable College"! Incidentally, I'm sure you know all the jargon associated with tourism, but your Latin is a bit rusty. Where a memorial says "In Memory Of", correct Latin is "In Memoriam" - if you must use Latin.

Thank you MainTour (talk) 04:59, February 20, 2017 (UTC)

Calvin Ellis Stowe[]

I have just created the page for Calvin Ellis Stowe (1802-1886) (husband of Harriet Beecher Stowe). I notice that he is a descendant of Samuel Bigelow (1653-1730). I invite you to create the in-between generations. Thurstan (talk) 09:12, July 30, 2017 (UTC)

Sounds Great, Thank you!  MainTour (talk) 15:46, July 30, 2017 (UTC)

Brigham Young et al[]

I've been tinkering with BY's article and added WP's page of descendants.

There are some bracketed numbers in your list of descendants that look like references from copies of a WP page instead of copies of a WP edit box (which is what we should always copy except for pure text). Can you find where they come from and replace with a good version that puts the references where they belong?

-- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:42, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

Linking Brigham Young (1801-1877). MainTour (talk) 19:08, October 26, 2017 (UTC)

Wadsworth Monument[]

Good news... our friends group has conserved the monument for Henry Wadsworth, who died in Tripoli in 1804.  The picture you have is when the monument had been toppled by vandals.  Would you be willing to swap it out for the current photo which shows the monument standing tall again?  THANKS

2604:6000:1501:4089:1FD:D658:1A6F:9489 12:47, November 16, 2017 (UTC)Ron Romano, (Spirits Alive, the friends of Eastern Cemetery in Portland Maine)

-- I'll do that, but where can I get this picture? MainTour (talk) 19:55, November 16, 2017 (UTC)

Meghan Markle[]

American actress to wed British Prince... and the world watches.

Lots of her ancestors were born on your side of the Pond. Quite a few early New England, in fact. You may like to develop them. I've started Captain Christopher Hussey (1599-1686) but I expect to be offline for several days. I plan to fill in some gaps and work on the earlier people some day soon.

Kind regards. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:12, November 29, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for all that you have done on those. But please add sources, to help yourself and the rest of us in future. In particular I would like you to insert your source in Frederick George Sanders (1873-1944) because there are differences with and I want to finalize him and move on to his ancestors. I've added the "new note" tag just waiting for an URL to follow. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:56, May 22, 2018 (UTC)

Skipper family of Boston[]

Hello, pal. You seem to have been on a wikiholiday for a day or two. I hope you're well.

The NEHGS says Rachel Meghan Markle (1981) is descended from Edward III of England (1312-1377) through her father's ancestors, the Skipper family of Boston. Familypedia seems to have none of that family. As it's in one of your specialty areas, I hope you can fill in the gaps. You may be able to make use of the recently-created Rachel Meghan Markle (1981)/ahnentafel. I plan to add to that slowly, probably needing to use Geni a bit more, where I have already started what Geni says is Meghan's line to Charlemagne.

PS - a few more clicks have produced - all the names but few dates. That can help check Geni!

-- Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:45, December 10, 2017 (UTC)

"WikiHoliday?" - We had evacuated ahead of the Lilac Fire that burned close to our home on the east side of Oceanside, California. We are back home now and all is well. This suggestion looks like a good angle to attack next. MainTour (talk) 05:05, December 10, 2017 (UTC)
Ah. I tend to forget that I have a friend in California while watching TV coverage. I wonder whether any NZ firefighters have been flown in to help your guys. Anyway, back to the past - I've used that Chart to add the whole line to the ahnentafel back to where we have people already on FP, a few generations down from Ed III. I usually find it easiest to create the first version of an ancestor page from an ahnentafel because the parents and spouse can be copied so easily without modification. That's why I'm now going to continue the Charlemagne lineage there before creating more articles. By the way, have you caught up with Thurstan's very helpful discovery about creating a parent or spouse page from a preview? See Forum:Templates update. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:07, December 10, 2017 (UTC)


Trying to interest someone in your New England work, I was looking for a good Mayflower descendants table. Please have a look at Talk: William Mullins (c1572-1620). Or is there a better one we could showcase? -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:03, April 20, 2018 (UTC)

Marriage etc[]

Please see Talk: Milo Andrus (1814-1893). You must be the ideal person to answer the question.

One day we should codify the seven marriages that followed Lucy's! I had to do hers because of a line pointed out to me in correspondence. It runs down to the correspondent's inlaws and up several centuries to some British nobility and possibly links to one of my lines.

Keep up the great work! And remember {{Person-enWP}}. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:27, February 6, 2019 (UTC) Please see this source for Nathaniel Thayer. There were two Nathaniel Thayers. The one who married Abigail Harvey was the son of William Thayer and Mary Kellaway. This Nathaniel was born May 10, 1640. -- 01:49, February 11, 2019 (UTC)Elizabeth Jesse

Martin Potter[]

More bad news:  There is a page titled  "Martin Potter (1819-1863)"
His parents were: Benjamin Franklin Potter, 1787 • Coventry, Kent, Rhode Island: 1859 • Cotton, Switzerland, Indiana

The parents you have listed: David Potter (1760-1838) and Elizabeth Vaughan (1762-1831) were the parents of Martin Potter b 1790 • Coventry, Kent, Rhode Island; d 1874 • San Bernardino, San Bernardino, California

You really need to do the work.

2600:6C44:B80:2F05:530E:840F:4C44:B82 20:29, May 28, 2019 (UTC)Sherry

Mary Foster (died 1705)[]

It looks to my like Mary Foster (1620-1705) and Mary Foster (1618-1705) are the same person (as are their hubands). What do you think? Thurstan (talk) 05:12, January 18, 2020 (UTC)

It's a common name, but I say go for it. MainTour (talk) 00:50, January 19, 2020 (UTC)

Wrong woman?[]

Hannah Littlefield (1723-) has just had her maiden name and parents changed - with a cited source. You may like to discuss her with the contributor. I can't find her on FamilySearch but that may be a fault of my old system. We should rename the page if it's all OK. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 20:21, February 23, 2020 (UTC)

can i be admin here i promise to be active ???  Dr. Martin Brenner (talk) 16:50, February 24, 2020 (UTC)

Dr. Brenner - I think you need to get 5000 edits in first before qualifying as an admin. You also need to build your profile page first. MainTour (talk) 22:47, February 24, 2020 (UTC)

Cherokee Nation(s)[]

You have given a birthplace of Cherokee Nation. That (according to our article and presumably Wikipedia) is a 20th-century entity, not to be confused with the older one. And because of the dates defining the older one, someone born before 1760 would not have been born in that either! I noticed merely because of an interest in "Lightfoot", so I'll leave you to ponder on it and maybe revisit source to clarify that birthplace and give it an up-to-date state name if possible. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 20:41, March 2, 2020 (UTC)

The original Cherokee Nation was around for many year in the hills of Georgia and South Carolina until its forced removal in 1838 to the modern day nation in Oklahoma. This Nancy is the first wife of my direct ancestor. Another of my direct ancestors James Adair (1714-1796) was a historian of these indians.
Cherokee Nation refers to the same people. Early maps of the time referred to them thus.
Same people, yes, but the Nation changed its location at various times. I wonder whether you have read both of the articles recently. Still, if you can't pin her birth down to a particular current state we will have to live with it - as with the Byzantine Empire and more recent "Ireland" before 1920 and "India" before 1947! --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:18, March 3, 2020 (UTC)
I have a map of the Cherokee Nation of that time posted under James Adair (1714-1796) (that's her father-in-law/historian). But their terriroty covered the Appalachian Highlands of 5 future US Southern States - Georgia, South & North Carolina, Alabama, and Tennessee.MainTour (talk) 19:31, March 5, 2020 (UTC)
Not that since "Cherokee Nation" is not the name of a present-day country, it is not admissable in any "nation" field. Such former names belong to the "other" fields, while the nation fields should say "United States". Thurstan (talk) 03:52, March 6, 2020 (UTC)

John Irby (1785-1930)[]

You might like to review John Irby (1785-1930), who was not only born four years after his father died, but also lived to be 145. Is he a myth, or a series of errors? Thurstan (talk) 06:14, August 5, 2020 (UTC)

Ancestry from Canaan[]

I'm wondering how so many individuals now have ancestors from Canaan. Canaan/bdm doesn't seem to have anyone close enough to the Christian Era to provide a genealogical link. Can you point me to pages where I can see lineages that go back that far? --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:24, December 4, 2020 (UTC)

I am extremely skeptical that anyone can trace their lineage to Abraham. However awhile back I did create a lineage of Jesus Christ as listed in the Holy Bible. It is found here Jewish Parentage of Jesus Christ. Check those names to see if any one plugged in a descendant that I don't know about. But it is my opinion that no valid entries exist. If they do we have to intensely check the references. MainTour (talk) 22:48, December 4, 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I won't tell any of your LDS friends about this. Your view corresponds with that of the bulk of serious modern genealogists, many of whom doubt that any of us Westerners can trace back even two millennia, let alone three or more. I may dig in the areas you have suggested, because that "Canaan" at the end of list irritates me. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:43, December 6, 2020 (UTC)
LOL - And don't worry about my "LDS friends". The first priority of the LDS is create a complete and accurate genealogy so that they can do their temple baptisms for all of the dead in the world. Any LDS that creates a wrong genealogy is sinning by denying their true ancestors the savings temple blessings - which is a major sin in the eyes of the LDS religion. That is a huge factor of my determination to work here - to help all of them to "do it right"! But I thank you and User:Thurstan for your most gracious concern and attention to detail. MainTour (talk) 11:22, December 6, 2020 (UTC)

Cheney Royal Ancestry[]

Hello MainTour,

I believe I am a descendant of William Cheney 1603-1667. I found your page about him. On it, you mentioned his notable ancestors included Henry II of England (1133-1189)William I of England (1027-1087)Charlemagne (747-814)Hugh Capet (c940-996)Alfred the Great (849-899).

I have had trouble finding this myself. Can you please share your references for this information, or tell me how you came about it and how I can find it as well?

Thank you

BranonWDoom1976 (talk) 18:26, December 11, 2020 (UTC)Brandon

Hi Branon - It is certainly a work in progress. Right now I find the best references on Geni. Try using my list to follow the chain on starting at William Cheney 1603. You do raise an important conern of hours - We want to have valid references for everything we post online nowadays. Thank you. MainTour (talk) 20:18, December 11, 2020 (UTC)
Or, probably more directly, work your way up from our page, picking the more likely parent and seeing whether that one has the same ancestors listed - if not, the spouse will. Repeat as often as necessary. That listing of notable ancestors is automatic. Geni doesn't have the same facility. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 20:27, December 11, 2020 (UTC)

John Winston Spencer-Churchill (1822-1883)[]

Please don't remove the links to our standard sources for peerage pages! Thurstan (talk) 19:20, January 4, 2021 (UTC)

Certainly. And I will put back the ones that I did in the last couple of days. MainTour (talk) 22:54, January 4, 2021 (UTC)
Thank you: Wikipedia is in general not a very good source for genealogy (IMO), since they can talk about people without worring about vital dates. Thurstan (talk) 23:59, January 4, 2021 (UTC)
I agree and my goal here is to outdo Wikipedia! I am checking five different sources for each person - and I plan to add in supporting details about their historic homes and fill in all of the other family members that they skip. I am seeing lots of inconsistencies on their end already. It could take me several runs up and down this list of dukes to get it right, but my intention is to emphasize accurately their family relations and to skip much of their political intrigue.MainTour (talk) 13:31, January 5, 2021 (UTC)

New problems[]

See Forum:Migration to UCP‎. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:37, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Apology from me[]

Mate, I'm sorry I've not been paying attention to my user talk page lately. I'll take a closer look at your postings now. --- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

Bodorgan manor photo ?[]

I previously deleted a picture of the Bodorgan manor picture after doing a search I then found it online as a house in Bournemouth England and not Anglesey, north Wales.

Can you confirm this is the picture of Bodorgan manor, as there doesn't seem to be any made public on the internet ... ?