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You're a fast mover, Richard Arthur. You weren't here when I looked earlier today. I've just welcomed you to the Central Wikia (and said we want you here), so I won't give you a full-sized "template" welcome here!

Not many persistent active contributors here. It's not everybody's ideal genealogy site, but I'm sure it has a place. I've got only a dozen relatives listed, because it takes a bit of time and I have them all perfectly displayed at WorldConnect whenever I want them.

Watercooler discussions have touched on the desirability of optional automating of page creation. Still a fairly open topic. Most recent energetic contribution is from the Wigton Walkers led by Bill Willis.

I look forward to your contributions of facts and ideas.

Robin Patterson 00:01, 9 November 2006 (UTC) in Wellington

Central Wikia[]

Please see Genealogy:Watercooler#Time_for_enticing_some_experts_in_from_Central_Wikia.3F Robin Patterson 19:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


Richard, two of us have responded to your self-nomination. Both of us rather wondered what you hope to do with the powers (though your wad of responsible and energetic contributions leaves us in little doubt that you would do some good and no harm!). See

Robin Patterson 04:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, a week is long enough. You're in. Please read'_how-to_guide from time to time! Robin Patterson 14:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Page names where a person is "of a place"[]

I see your recent Scandinavians include a few of the above. Seems unnatural to put the dates in the middle. See my John Pollok of Balgray (c 1690-after 1720) for how it can be done in what I think is a more natural way. Robin Patterson 13:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


Richard, the format for catgories is [[Category:Category title]]. See my edits of your Hans Pederson page for an example. The wikipedia style is to place these at the bottom of the page, but it's usually easier to place them at the top. The Category entries will still display at the bottom of the page (or elsewhere depending on preference settings). If you add a category that has no other entries, your new category will initially appear in red---indicating an empty page. Click the red link, and you'll go to the newly created category page. You'll need to type something into the edit field to actually create the page. I usually just describe the content a bit, and let the machinery do the rest Bill 17:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Butting in (which is perfectly OK on a wiki user's talk page!) - one does not need to describe the content every time, but one should ensure that the new category has a parent category (or two +) of its own. Robin Patterson 12:31, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


Hi Richard

Robin is in transition and his old email address no longer receives mail. He probably hasn't updated his preferences here. However, if YOU will turn on your email, so I can send you a message directly, I'll let you into the "backdoor" communication channel. Bill 17:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

You've apparently not turned on your email in preferences. Leastwise, when i click "email this user", it says you haven't enabled this functionality. Bill 19:49, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Mine is now on, according to the check box. (I've always had the home one - through - working in the background.) I thought I fixed it here months ago, when I set or reset my authentication: "Your e-mail address was authenticated on 2006-09-13T16:30:30"; but maybe not. Robin Patterson 12:26, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you[]

I've noticed the incredible amount of work you've been doing as I scan Recent Changes from time to time. Thank you. These two words are often thought but not often said. I just wanted to make sure that someone actually told you what I'm sure was on our minds. Your contributions have added considerably to this Wikia. Keep up the great work!


Zephyrinus 12:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Two months later, recovering from an illness, and I still see you busy at work. Thank you very much. None of us say it enough. You certainly have added much value to this wikia.
I wish you the best, Dear Mr. Norton. And even if I only say it once every two months:
Thank you.
Zephyrinus 11:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)


Hi Richard!

All the work you are doing inputing your family relations is certainly appreciated! Pretty much day in and day out you're adding members of your family line. And I have to admit that I find what you've written about many of them of interest. Not that there's a relationship between them and my family, but because I find the mini biographies interesting reading. You do get a real sense of who some of these folks were---especially, the more recent people.

And you ar right, I was looking at a relatively recent person, and I guess I didn't see any children because they were all still living. Bill 13:39, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

User renaming[]


I am new here and this looks like a great project − I can't wait to get started!

As an administrator, are you able to change my user name? If so, I would like mine changed to Andrew Gordon Wever, as in my signature. I don't want this account to be connected to other online accounts (e.g. Wikipedia) where I use the same nickname.

If you can't change usernames, can you delete this account and I will create a new account by that name?

Thank you. − Andrew Gordon Wever ( talkcontribse-mail ) 09:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Can you please delete this account, and I will start a new one as Andrew Gordon Wever? − Andrew Gordon Wever ( talkcontribse-mail ) 17:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
Andrew, you can create a new account under any name you wish, anytime you wish. I suspect that its usually better to have only a single user name, but its not necessary. However, in answer to your specific question, I don't know, as its never come up before. robin may know. However, even if its possible, you haven't given us enough information to do as you ask. Spcifically, you didn't sign your name (4 "tilde's") so we don't know what user account your are working from. Bill 01:18, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Hi, guys! Richard did email me about this but it was only today that I saw it. Bill's right about re-registering under a new username. (I can't find any actual policy about deleting accounts, but I have a feeling Wikia likes to leave them alone, not deleted; see w:Talk:Wikia#Terminating_Accounts.) Starting up under a new name is unusual but quite acceptable in unusual circumstances (which seems to apply here, for reasons I don't need to know). The three current administrators on the w:c:Psychology Wikia did that, once they decided that they wanted to have their real names used instead of nicknames, for the sake of professional appearance. The old user pages are still there, with notes saying where the users have "gone". Andrew may not wish to have such an obvious link made: I see no problem with that. Richard and I know the current username, but it can simply be ignored if that's Andrew's wish. Anything to welcome a Wikipedia stalwart! Robin Patterson 13:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

County pages[]

Please see if you haven't already.

I mentioned it on the email list, nearly two days ago, but few people see that, apparently.

Robin Patterson 13:30, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Discussion of pages for states and for individuals[]

Hello again, Richard. You've been here nearly a year and contributed more article edits than nearly anyone. I would value your input into some recent discussions. Please see:

Robin Patterson 00:57, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

OK- I put in my application for sysop.[]

Genealogy:Requests for adminship#User:Phlox. Thanks for considering this. I am asking for your vote. ~ Phlox 02:41, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Since this is such a tiny wikia, it would be good if you could say something one way or another about my being a sysop. If you have some concerns, then I'd be happy to answer any questions you might have either publically or privately via email. ~ Phlox 05:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

person tab[]

you are right it is redundant. You can overide it with "shortname", but you are right- the default should be something different. After trying out blank, on your suggested article, it looks a little off. Perhaps "Main"? Hmmm General? ~ Phlox 23:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Freudenberg & Horwitz families[]

Horwitz data is up at Category:Horwitz Surname in Berlin, Germany.

Freudenberg data is done at Freudenbergs of Berlin, Germany.

Kborland 12:35, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Death age calc[]

  • Sure thing. Actually, I think I ported over one of the WP death age templates and I thought it was working. I'd be happy to move another. Just send me a link to the WP template you want and I will take care of it. ~ Phlox 00:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
You should be good to go. Maria Elisabeth has her commas now. Great article by the way.... It is a very odd situation with the commas- the WP template didn't have them either, and how the comma gets inserted is a complete mystery to me. I don't see any on WP that does it. Very odd mystery, but no time to figure out why. Easier to just shove the comma in. ~ Phlox 03:39, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Birth date and ago- OK, done. By any chance are you using some browser other than Internet explorer? ~ Phlox 02:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
  • Right. I saw that and chopped it out. Should be ok now. ~ Phlox 04:24, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


  • Not a problem at all. I prefer it because it has less display bugs, but use both to check for any display differences.
  • Some of the articles you have been generating recently have photos directly after the person template. What it looks like in IE is that you don't see any text next to the Person information until after the photos. Firefox has no problem displaying it correctly, but IE messes up. There may be a patch to fix the site so that IE won't get so confused. You may see one of the articles that had your new template I changed so that the photos were way further in the text. The IE bug is why I did it.
  • Anyhow- don't do anything to your articles for now. A lot of people will do what you are doing, because it is perfectly reasonable wikitext. Hopefully I can fix it is no bother for everyone, but who knows- I'll leave a note on Forum if articles have to be fixed. And no- a bot can't do it very well because it's too dumb to 1) figure out there is a problem, and 2) make the judgement call on how far down the images should be moved to.
~ Phlox 04:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


My bad. I neglected to add a MediaWiki:fm-findagrave entry page, and so the int:fm-findagrave had nothing to display. It appears to do what it was intended to do now, is that correct? If not let me know asap as I shall be away for two weeks starting 12/20. In all cases, feel free to just revert something I did to the previous working version. Like reverting the particular line I changed in the findagrave section of the template would have been a solution to this. ~ Phlox 16:50, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi Mr. Norton[]

I believe you have spoken with my Brother Robert Farrell in the past and I was reading over the information you have listed for our ancestors. Fascinating. I thought I would provide additional information to continue the Family Tree.

My name is Diane (Farrell) Korpics {1960}. I am the Daughter of Louise (Outwater) Farrell {1921-2007} and Joseph J. Farrell {1918- 1991}, and Granddaughter of Valentine Outwater {1888-1960} and Mary (Smith) Outwater {1890-1965}.

I Married Frank Korpics {1962} in Colonia, NJ on 9/27/1992 - we have Twins, Matthew and Lauren {2001}. Currently, we reside in Hamilton, NJ.

Diane08610 16:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)Diane

Introducing the Haartman family of Sweden[]

We have a new surname in Sweden. I found the mother of Catharina Christina Sedin, whose name was Catharina Haartman. Don't have anything on related Haartman families yet, although I did tie in some other branches of the Sedins this week.Kborland 19:18, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Picture of Geraldine Winblad[]

Per your request, I put up a picture of Gerri.

Geraldine Borland with her husband John Earl Borland and son-in-law Greg Smith

The Tandberg Family[]

Scangelo 03:12, 20 February 2008 (UTC)Answer to your question. Yes I am related to the Tandberg Family. I have spoken to you on the telephone a few times and even sent a Christmas Card to you last year. I just got the internet last year and am learning how to use it. I just started learning about this site late last year. I haven't figured it all out yet. I didn't even know you sent an E-Mail to me until tonight. I do apologise. Do they have a spell check? Apologize/apologise/apalogize, whatever. What do they mean by sign your posts using four tildes? Maybe just start it with those wavy lines? I'll have to try this out to see if I am doing this right. It has been interesting reading all the family genealogy so far. There are errors out there, such as Great Grandpa Thorvald Tandberg. He never referred to himself as Thorvald Martin Tandberg I, just Thorvald Martin Tandberg. I have been trying to figure out how to fix that. His son, Thorvald Martin Tandberg, Jr. only lived for one day. There was something wrong. He didn't even write down the date, just that it was in 1900. Thoralf was born on August 31st the following year, that's 8 months into the year. So it could've been anytime in 1900, with the exception of December. Besides, when a person is born, they are never born with a I or a Senior after their name. So, I just don't use it. It's a given if you see a son with a Jr. after his name. And you can't be a II if you are the son. II is used when you have an exact name of a grandfather or an uncle. An example is Joseph Kennedy, II; he was name after his uncle who died during the WWII. However, you can pass away with a Senior after your name. Anyways, you have spoken to me. I am very careful of the information I give out on my genealogy. I want to be certain that I have the facts right. I want to get a hold of my cousin June and ask how Uncle Ralph spelled his name once he got to United States. In Norway the spelling was Thoralf and I have always used that. Now I don't know. People change the spelling of their names when they emigrate. So now I am going to have to check it out. I do know that he was very pleased with his name. He kept all four of them. Well, now to see if this works.

Thoralf Christian Andreas Tandberg[]

Scangelo 03:35, 22 February 2008 (UTC)I spoke with my cousin June tonight. She said that her dad's name is Thoralf Christian Andreas Tandberg. He did not change the spelling of his name once he emigrated to the United States of America. That is good to know. In regards to getting photographs and documents here, I have to learn how to do it first. As soon as I can figure it out, I will be doing that. I have some death certificates, not many. And I do have some photographs.


This is pretty neat. I was putting in Nils Jacob Fischer's page in and you send a message. I do have a scanner. I just have to figure out how to send the images to the internet. I'll have to work on that another day. Thanks for the information. Oh, do you know how to type the special characters from the Norwegian language? Scangelo 04:07, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

New bot: AMK152Bot[]

Uploads disabled[]

(I've been offline for about the last 14 hours and haven't uploaded in the last few days, I think.) I've no idea why anything like that should happen - maybe it's related to the main server failure that happened a few hours ago and was reported on the Central Wikia mailing list. Robin Patterson 02:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

"Died in Somesuch County, Mystate"[]

Hi! As one of the most recent editors today, you can be among the first to know that it is now very easy to create a category page for "Died in Somesuch County, Mystate" in the United States. See Template:d-us. So when you see that one of your people is in a category like that but it's a red link, you can very quickly fix it and thereby make the link much more useful. Robin Patterson 02:58, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Hey dude[]

Catching up on my old mail... You wrote:

Template:Marriage date and age and ago I need it to do an additional calculation to combine the "age" and the "ago" calculation. Think you can help? --Richard Arthur Norton I 04:13, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Still need help, or did you figure this out? Leave me a note if not. -~ Phlox 05:21, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Info pages[]

Richard, you seem never to have created an info page. Not in the last 5 months anyway. They do have advantages in time-saving, over the medium term. One in every two or three new contributors seems to be taking up the idea with little or no prompting, so I think we must have got the instructions OK now. You may shortly see how I easily enhanced your latest obituary posting. You will be able to edit the info page to give some of those people names that link to their own pages.

Kind regards

Robin Patterson (Talk) 06:18, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

As an experiment I chose a person page at random to add an info page to. The page I found was Cyril J. Deutsch (1903-1986). Let me know what you think of the result. I also corrected the death year in the Death section. In the Second Marriage section it is written "In 1994 he was living at 5696 Country Lakes Drive in Sarasota, Florida." This doesn't seem possible if he died in 1986. Bill H 02:12, 16 April 2009 (UTC)


Headline text[]

Death date and age[]

Take a look if the behavior I describe on my talk page is what you want or not. -~ Phlox 00:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)


Just wanted to say how much I admire your interesting birthdays, those killed in car accidents, etc. Very cool! I think I'll have to start keeping track of interesting stuff like that myself :) —DeGraffJE talk 12:41, 14 August 2009 (UTC)


I was interested in doing facebook pages like what you did with David Wahlberg but unfortunately, I noticed they nuked an account that was of a deceased person (Owen Barfield). It was particularly annoying to the people who had been making posts discussing his work. Anyway, the David Wahlberg page sooner or later suffer the same fate. It seems to me they should allow this though. Maybe by creating a group? ~ Phlox 22:27, September 21, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. Regarding Knol, it has some interesting characteristics. The idea of controlling the degree of collaboration is attractive for this domain. Collective safeguards against subtle vandalism works on WP because no matter how obscure the information, because WP restricts itself to content on "notable" subjects, there is usually enough people around to clean up messes made by visitors with odd takes on reality. Not so true with family histories where POV disputes over events that happened two generations ago are still being fought with hot passions. Semi protected collaboration is a nice way of handling that in a decentralized way. OTOH I loath the idea of establishment of any sort of priesthood of the truth, or of balkanization of information. If someone honestly believes he can prove that Wahlberger was a opium smoking, mahjong playing wife beater, then you can keep him out, but nothing will stop him from doing his version of the David Wahlberg article. Then you get the Gedcom problem where there are 25 copies on the same person, all in many respects duplicates of each other.
Sorry for the ramble, but scaling questions give me a lot of concern. Automated import of WP's biographies was something I was doing two years ago but at the time there weren't any good forms to pour such vast amounts of concrete into. Due to the recent improvements and the multilingual support, we will be able to suck in articles from all WP languages, and that will get us into hundreds of thousands of articles real fast. When this backbone of high quality interlinked articles is in place, it can be augmented with high quality gedcoms. At that point we would be cracking a million pretty fast.
Some people might think this sounds glorious, but the adminstration issues scare the crap out of me. You have been around WP long enough to have seen the weird disputes that people get hot about. So what admin in their right mind is going to want to insert themselves into some obscure family dispute that the contributors dogmatically refuse to find common ground on? Maybe Knol's approach of dispersing authority for dispute resolution is a good fit for this problem set. ~ Phlox 04:00, September 22, 2009 (UTC)
I always let people have their say and quote them directly, that way I am never blamed for what has been recorded. For the facts, I rely on documents, for the personality, I love the conflicting testimonies people give. My rule is to have each family biography in five places online, so that the chance it will survive the next 50 years is increased. I have been readding all of my Google Pages biographies into Google Sites. I even added to Google groups, and to Google Base.
Certainly, redundancy is goodness. Due to the infinitesimally small cost of bits and their nearly effortless replication, it's hard not to come up with the likelihood that for the first time in our history we are looking at the immortality of life narratives. That change has some dimensions I have not yet gotten my mind around.~ Phlox 21:41, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

Well, remember, when Yahoo bought Flickr they deleted all the images that were stored at Google Photos, they also deleted all the original yahoo profiles when they switched to Yahoo 360. Google keeps everything, a terabyte of storage is now $100, and those pennies they receive per search add up quickly.
Right. It's prudent. I would have thought you would bring up what Yahoo is doing with Geocities. Or what AOL did with the Compuserve franchise. Oh, how the mighty have fallen. Ozymandias and all that. ~ Phlox 22:05, September 22, 2009 (UTC)

tabs person[]

Regarding your comment about the redundancy of the main article name in the first tab, (Template talk:Tabs person):

  • One user suggested a period.
  • Alternatively, I could do main page or main artilce, or just leave it blank.
  • or: alternate suggestion?

~ Phlox 07:27, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Epigenetic factors?[]

I came across the interesting story of Marcus Pembrey's use of genealogical information[1] to create a hypothesis for the workings of epigenetics. Medicine is your bailiwick not mine so I was wondering if you might suggest a reference where I could extract a list of environmental factors that might be interesting to record about an individual. (Exposure to toxins, famine, other significant stresses on the body). This sort of list would be provided on a detailed form for an individual, not the simple form. ~ Phlox 20:14, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

I have a cousin that would like you to call them 507-263-2834 Cannon Falls MN-- 15:09, December 9, 2009 (UTC)R Callstrom

No more question-marks in page names, please[]

Our forms can't handle them properly. See recent forum items. We recommend that you move existing offending pages as soon as convenient, and don't create red links that would lead to new ones. — Robin Patterson (Talk) 14:40, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Friendly reminder. You recently moved a page but kept a question-mark. (Turned out that the page was already ambiguous. See Charles Lindauer (1840-)). -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:54, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

New Features/ Pain Points[]


I'm Jeska - a Wikia staff member dedicated to Lifestyle and I'm pulling together a list of 3-5 new features that would be helpful for the continued success of Familypedia. These could be something small like a new template form or something more integrated into the site, such as a new background theme or logo. It could also just be a list of "pain points" that you've had that we could design a tool/feature to help alleviate. Please let me know as soon as possible on my Talk page!

Cheers, JeskaD 20:44, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hello Richard[]

Hi Im just telling everyone about my Family History!

Thank you for notifying me about this site[]

Dear Mr. Norton,

Thank you for notifying me about this site. I will take advantage of your kind offer to answer some of my basic questions.

1. I am surprised that I missed the site until now, especially as it has been active for at least 4 years. Do the names of this site show up in on-line searches using Google or other search engines? If not, outsiders who might be interested in some persons or genealogies might never find them.

2. When loading pages from Wikipedia, the colors of the links (red or blue) seem to remain as they were in Wikipedia, even if the linked articles are not in Familypedia. Should the articles on related subjects (such as the schools attended, the professions etc.) should also be loaded into Familypedia so that they can be accessed the way they are in Wikipedia.

3. Are articles containing full family trees also acceptable in Familypedia, so that the genealogy can be easier to read than by going up and down the parents-child relationships or are such familty trees reserved for genealogy sites such as Ancestry, My Heritage or others.

Thank you, in advance for your help

Andrei Filotti Afil 02:26, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

anscestor question[]

Hi Richard,

Have you ever run across an Asa Jucket in you Jacquet/Jucket line? I believe he is a grandson of Pierre but I'm having trouble with the connection. He is Listed in the MA militia raised in and around New Salem as "Jinket" and some of his children were born in Johnson VT. c.1820. Any hints would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks, Michelle

I know this a long-shot, but I found your name when I found the name of the woman whom I think may be my maternal great-grandmother, Mildred Lynette Van Deusen. It listed you as a contributor of the single photograph of her on the page, and though this is a gigantic leap of faith, I need to know if there is any way you could help me in my search. Did you know Ms. Van Deusen or have a relative who did? If not, do you know who added the information surrounding her to this site, or where I could find more? I'm desperate, my grandfather was a foster child who sealed his records at age 18, and there are many signs that she could have been his mother. (I looked on and found a Mildred matching the description I knew from my grandmother - that she was a nurse working in Boston around when my grandfather Winston was born in 1930 illegitimately) I know no such child is listed here, but obviously if there is an illegitimate child it wouldn't be listed officially. I know this is such a stupid idea of me to go out on a whim like this, but since his records are sealed and he was so embittered as an adult, my resources are so few and finding your name on that page and contacting you is all that I can do. I don't know if you have any connection with her at all, but it's worth a try. My name is Mary Bevans, I am 19 years old and my email address is

Thank you. 23:01, September 28, 2011 (UTC)

Copying from Wikipedia[]

Some of the answer to your query is at Help:Copying from Wikipedia. Copy the whole page from its edit box pasting in here with the addition of an acknowledgment template. Then trim off anything we definitely don't want here, which is often nothing; if in doubt, leave it there for someone else to evaluate.

We tend to use {{usedwp}}, which has a similar effect to {{Wikipedia}} but is easier to type. Whichever one you use, it's all you need if the page has exactly the same name, which it should have if it's a place but should not have if it's a biography.

For biographies, our half-agreed practice is to have a FP page with exactly the Wikipedia name (Useful for checking and searching; and ideally a "hndis" page if the name's not unique), redirecting to the "name plus dates" FP biography page. On the FP biography page, the acknowledgment template needs to have the WP page name added as a parameter, e.g. {{usedwp|Richard Norton}}.

Keep up the good work!

-- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:01, December 1, 2011 (UTC)


Hello Richard,

I love your user page (and your other pages, mind) and find the organisation of people very interesting. I like the occupation and life(/death)-related sequences. I've used the "Lived Over 90" on my own page. I hope that's fine. I couldn't resist but if you don't want me to have it just let me know. Cv-s 14:08, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Do i have to create an article of myself and my family or would it be here

GREAT GLOVE SAVE! BY IVJUB! 03:30, January 14, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome Richard![]

I'm curious whether you or other admins have been involved with the Open Genealogy Alliance ? I'm a member of the group and we're currently researching rights issues surrounding genealogical data/records. Anyhow, feel free to join the listserv and let's stay in touch! Todrobbins 22:43, January 25, 2012 (UTC)

how do you categories pages by what lagnuage the surname is. and i noticed this site lacking spanish, asian, middle eastern, and other non-european surnames. would this site like those surnames contributed.


My name is Karen Talley born in Williamsport,PA.

My mother, Joan Lindauer born in 1928 was also born there

Her father Judd Henderson Lindauer was born in Watsontown.PA in 7/17/1905 -and died on 1/17/1956 - .

His father Jay Augustus Lindauer born 7/8/1885 died in the flu epidemic of 1918 in Watsontown,PA His mother's name was Margaret Roth.

His father was Julius Augustus Lindauer,March 1849 - Pennsylvania 1928 - Watsontown,PA

His father was Augustus Lindauer born 1815 - Rheinbishofsheim,Germany -

and his father was Lindauer, Johann Jacob -Lindauer,

I'm hoping that we might be able to somehow find a connection between our families.and that you may have additional information to share. Thank you for all of your work in this area! 03:12, March 8, 2012 (UTC) Karen L. Talley


My name is Michael Cuddy b.1956 grandson of Lizzie(Elizabeth) Hogan b. 1873 great grandson of John Hogan & Winnifred Hogan. I have linked in your details on my family tree. You can look up(google) Michael cuddy genealogy. 20:47, March 26, 2012 (UTC)michael cuddy

Birth and death location[]

As you probably know, Familypedia includes the template bdm (birth, death, marriage) which attached to any location automatically created a list of people who were born, died, married or interred in that location. For instance, if you go to the article Chicago, you can access the page Chicago/bmd by a simple click and get a list of all the people in Wikifamily who are listed as born etc in Chicago.

However the system works only if the link in the person article is properly defined. Link to Wikipedia practically eliminate the inclusion of those persons in the list. Of course, if you want a person not to show up in the list you can make any link you want. But if you would like a person to be included in the Familypedia bdm lists, you might want to consider linking the information to the appropriate articles in Familypedia and not to Wikipedia.

With your permission I could make the corrected links, if you so desire.


Andrei Filotti

Wikipedia vs Familypedia for geography[]

I prefer to link to an article in Wikipedia. The Familypedia geography articles are out of date the moment they are cut and pasted here. We have categories for the city someone is born in. It seems like a waste of time to copy every geography article just for the sake of having it here. No one will update them with any regularity and they are a sea of red links. Richard Arthur Norton 00:39, May 2, 2012 (UTC)

Noticed that on the Peter Gerhard Jensen page that it lists the marriage between Peter Gerhard and Margaret to be August 28, 1922 when the Declaration of Intention I have from my grandfather (Peter Gerhart(d) Jensen) shows he married on December 24, 1933.

Valerie Jensen


I have reverted your change to the wording for the template {{Disambiguation}}, which is used on many pages (such as place name disambiguation pages) which are not person pages. An existing template for person disambiguation articles is {{Similar person names}}, which you might like to use instead. Thurstan (talk) 21:42, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Image editing etc[]

Sorry, Richard, I've not kept up with the play on images. I suggest you put your query on the help desk or Contact Wikia. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 10:37, July 12, 2012 (UTC)

[[Auguste Florian Iaccaci (1857-?)]]


We already have a category for "People on Wikipedia": it is Category:Famous people. Thurstan (talk) 20:45, January 1, 2013 (UTC)


You have created new categories under which you have included various documents or photographs of different persons (such as Category:Eva Ariel Lattin (1892-1939)‏‎) which is correct as it creates a group for all documents related to that person. However these new categories are not linked to others in any way. Would it be possible, whenever you create such a category to also include a link for this new category (in the example above, create a link to Category:Lattin (surname))? I did this for several of the older categories you created.

You classified the documents indicating the type of records you used. Would it be possible to indicate that these categories are subcategories of Category:Records (or any other classification you prefer) so as to create the appropriate links.

In some cases the categories you create exist already but are differently worded in Wikia. For instance 1920 United States Census is to be found under Category:Census of the United States, 1920. I do not have a preference for any of the titles, but we should not have both.Afil (talk) 22:10, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Sure, I will correct them. Categories should be named to match the article titles for consistency. --Richard Arthur Norton (talk) 23:04, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

On the census question, we are not yet consistent enough. (I agree with Richard's last comment, and not only for consistency: ease of pasting and coding is a factor too.) Please would you both have a look at the recent forum:Census page and category names. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:15, January 5, 2013 (UTC)


If you see a user with a name like Vilius, he could be a bit of a tearaway, needing careful watching. See User talk:Vilius2001x. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:05, January 5, 2013 (UTC)


-- Robin Patterson (Talk) 02:26, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

HumaN DISambiguation[]

Richard, I think it's quite a while since you looked at the hndis page. You might save yourself some work using the revised version. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:31, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

Interwiki links[]

Regarding your question regarding interwikilinks to other languages, look into Category:Interwiki link templates where you will find templates such as {{DeWP}}, {{FrWP}}, {{RuWP}} and others. For many other languages similar templates will have to be developed. Afil (talk) 05:27, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

John Mervin Oldrin[]

Hi Richard,

I found your pages while researching my family. I am related to John Mervin Oldrin. His daughter Nettie B. was my great grandmother. Do you have anymore info on the oldrins

Jean Smith

  • Hello Jean. I am descended from Captain William Oldrin (1772-1858). There are so few Oldrins we should be able to connect them all to one of the Oldrins in England. Leave your email and we can chat at Facebook. If you create an account here, we can both add information to the same profiles. --Richard Arthur Norton (talk) 15:02, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


"What links here" is in the standard toolbar that sits at the bottom of most pages - but it can be hidden and restored with the arrow box at the right-hand end. Is that what you're missing? -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 23:57, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Bert Acosta[]

Hi Richard,

I am interesting in talking with you regarding your interest in Bert Acosta, the aviator.  I was wondering how you obtained your information and if you were in touch with any of his relatives.  Thanks!

If you would like to contact me privately, you can reach me at spuckriguez@aol.com76.112.27.219 02:39, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

Angela76.112.27.219 02:39, February 6, 2013 (UTC) 02:39, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

New York Times photo archive[]


If you don't want me to put the standard templates back into the Sarah Kershaw‎, please put that page into the standard categories. Thurstan (talk) 21:25, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

== Death year unknown


Our naming standards page has, for at least two years, said:

  • "For people known to have died but with no definite or estimated death year shown, you may add a hyphen after the birth year so as to add a little clarification of what the solitary year refers to."

I'm changing the "you may add" to "please add", since recent time-wasting when I was removing question-marks from one of Fred Bergman's ancestry lists and found that the target pages of some had been changed to use just the hyphen but a few had lost the hyphen too. After checking a group of the target pages and renaming those that still had question-marks, I made the mistake of just deleting the question-marks from the list. Those that had been moved to lose the question-mark were then red links. So I had to find them by opening an earlier version (because the question-marks make it impossible to be sure of getting the new page by typing in the address bar. Grrrr!

Thank you for asking. Please remember to sign comments on talk pages so that people can reply direct instead of having to open the page history to find a link to this page!

And thank you for continuing to add quality articles.

-- Robin Patterson (Talk) 00:03, April 13, 2013 (UTC)

Dear Richard,

Thank you for your welcome message ! I hope Familypedia is going to work out for me after the horrible time I and others have had with Cyber Pullying on Wikipedia NL and Wikipedia Eng. It was awful, they destroyed every page one put on. Such a waste of time and such horrible people and Wikipedia Corporation does not do anything about them.

They did not read the sources and references but immediately went on the attack. I still think to inform Scotland Yard or Interpol as I wonder if they do this yo as youngster it might end up in a suicide?!

Anyway, once again many thanks for your kind words!

Gerard Lemmens Gwclemmens (talk) 16:38, April 17, 2013 (UTC)

Category:Famous people[]

I have started a discussion about the name of the category "Famous people" here, and I would like you to give your opinion too. Thurstan (talk) 03:32, May 6, 2013 (UTC)

Francis Kluxen[]

Hello Richard. I am investigating the cold case murder of Janette Lawrence and noticed you have some info on Francis Kluxen Sayre that most others do not. If you have other info please contact me at Thank you!

List of people who died on their birthdays

William F. Acken[]

A few years ago you created the file William F. Acken. I am now doing some housekeeping. The file does not contain any dates nor any categories. What do you think we should do with this file? Afil (talk) 01:41, November 27, 2015 (UTC)


Hi Richard, Love your site and hope to add more information to my relatives when I get time. Thanks for your help in signing in etc. User:NarelleB

Deletion problem[]

Richard, I hope you found your solution. And I hope it was the quickest but I guess it probably wasn't. As soon as you delete a page, there should be a green-background message near the top of the page with a link you can click to restore it if it was an error or was part of fixing the page-move bug. Just click that link and you're back on a "Restore" page. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 09:55, June 26, 2016 (UTC)

James Edward Ashworth (1831-1910)[]

Hello again! Your article on James Edward Ashworth (1831-1910) originally contained material such as a letter that was commented out. Recently a relative deleted two-thirds of the article, which I thought was a pity. I've reproduced most of the deleted portions on the talk page. Please have a look and re-comment-out parts that you think should not appear on the published page. In case it helps, the original before the deletion is at

-- Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:26, September 18, 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for quick response there. Now two questions about the page:

  • (Just for interest) - are you related to the Ashworths?
  • Your original article creation gave James an exact birth date (and on the second edit a town): b. May 04, 1831; Bury, England.... If you can remember or find your source for that, Dianne and other interested people may be able to narrow down searches for his parents and siblings. Any ideas?

-- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:45, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

Sorry & thanks[]

Hi Richard,

I skimmed some of the help pages tonight and I realize now that in not talking to you before I changed Ashworth pages, I made a major faux-pas and I'd like to apologize for that. Secondly, I'd like to apologize for rewriting instead of adding to James. E. Ashworth's page. Robin pointed it out to me. I'm so glad that the original text could be saved. Thank you for that.

I have a lot of information on James but I won't add anything major until we've talked. Maybe Robin could be included, too? I did add Nellie's given name and exact birthdates for Albert and Daniel.

NewEngland27 (talk) 03:28, September 19, 2016 (UTC)


Hi Mr Aurthor Norton I was wondering if you would be able to tell me more about my famliy because I have seen you do articles and have pictures and such on websites on things when I have been reseaching my famliy so would you be able to tell me more about the history about my famliy my last name is Freudenberg so I belive that we could may be related I don't know ,Because also if one of your famliy memebers are married to mine wouldnt that make it us related? But any way my email is please get in contact with me about the first part Thank you.

Jasmine Freudenberg.

Should we have links to and from Wikidata?[]

Richard, you may be well placed to add a voice to the very recent page Forum:Wikidata. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 05:45, August 15, 2017 (UTC)


Richard, I studied that WP talk page and noted that you had been a major contributor - but as I have no recollection of using the template I don't feel that I could honestly offer an opinion. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 12:06, October 27, 2017 (UTC)


  • Johann Friedrich Penther

Does this belong here?[]

Richard, you may have noticed that your Gayle Chaneyfield Jenkins (1957- ) article has been reduced. Andrei kindly split off three sections about other apparently unrelated people and created separate articles for them.

Gayle and two of the others have no recorded parent, spouse, or child, which makes them a bit out of place in a genealogy website. As they seem to be admirable people, probably acquaintances of yours, I have no wish to see the articles deleted but I hope you can dig around and find something genealogical to add to each.

I would be interested to learn the origin of the articles, which are Wikipedia style but seem not to be from Wikipedia. If they are all your work, footnotes and all, that's excellent. I hope the subjects of the articles are happy with them.

Kind regards---- Robin Patterson (Talk) 03:18, April 27, 2018 (UTC)

Birthday perishers[]

You created, which is interesting and must have taken a lot of work to compile. Nobody has altered it much. It remains with three lists of people, with two similar introductions. Careful examination shows that the first list contains most of the people in the other lists but with some differing descriptions. The last list is the few "unverified" ones, with no indication of what that means.

Your original version also had some interlanguage links, suggesting that it was copied from a Wikipedia, but I can't see it on the English one.

Can you explain so that we can make the article even better?

--- Robin Patterson (Talk) 11:33, April 10, 2021 (UTC)